Neither of the planes you suggested are suitable for a beginner, as far as I'm concerned. I"ve been flying almost two years now, and my Extra can STILL be a handful sometimes. You're getting some good advice here from the guys that are suggesting you start out on a .40 sized trainer with an instructor to help you. BELIEVE ME, you will progress in your skill level much faster, AND save yourself alot of grief with busted planes to begin with. I know this from experience, as do some others around here. Welcome to the hobby, by the way.