ok ill see which prop has more pull ill be flying in a nice big open park with no trees in sight i wont give up as i bought a cessna 46 i/c plane in the summer but i crashed that on my first flight into a chaps garage roof nose first after replaceing his tiles i got the plane back and had to replace the engine mount prop and spinner i put that to one side as i thought it looked much better in one piece so a few months later i thought id buy a electric plane and try to learn with that the chap at my local model shop said the decathlon was a good plane to learn on so i purchased it then found a few articles on here about it i should of searched the forum first then i might have chosen a diffrent plane but im a bit of a impulse buyer and it does look a neat little plane thanks again for your advice