Thanks Jellyson, will test and watch just the swash.

I've been taking it pretty slowly 2-3 batterys a night, repeating steps until I'm comfy, I'm a lot less nervous with the thing after just the first 5 steps, I'm sure that will come back though as soon as its time to actually get the thing off the ground though. Does anyone have experience with the belt driven tail setup that helihobby(i think) sells? I'm thinkin this may be first on the list of things to get once I can hover the thing as is. Does it require more power from the main motor than stock? I like the belt drive idea over dual motor or direct drive as in the end converting appears it would cost about the same either way? Well besides having to go with an external gyro.