rjm1982 thank you for relaying the sediments of some of us "30 day fliers" I work I don't make alot of money but enough and 1000 to 1500 for a heli is to much to crash and burn because i dont know what i'm doing. If I cracsh and burn a 70 dollar ebay job no biggie i order parts fix it and start again. Being ignored because someone owns a big dollar setup and mine is a toy is lame! I'm learning I read alot and have actually purchased 3 more helis I love them i've always wanted one so i'm doing it I fly in my back yard which is plenty far enough away that I will not interfer with anyone elses or in my back room who knows maybe in a couple years after learning with the electrics i'll move up to a gas but thanks again rjm1982 for trying to make them understand some people are just set in their ways and it doesn't matter what you tell them they are gonna keep on being that way.