I agree whole heartedly except that most of the poeple that are buying the "substandard" helos don't know it. They do really need help. When they ask I will do my best to help in anyway, yes sometimes it wastes a whole saturday but usually the person is very thankfull and if we didn't have the face time while helping them they would probably not learn what is out there that's better(and there's always something better no matter what you have) and would leave and not return toa really good hobby.

This isn't just about Helos, or even R/C in general, it's this way with just about everything in life. We all have to lend a helping hand, none of us would be here if we hadn't gotten one from someone in our pasts.

To those of you that took offense to my light hearted posts above, I'm sorry if it offended I was posting tounge in cheek. Also a little arguing is fun sometimes....

That all said, I did buy a Picco Z for my wife for Christmas and while it's not a "real" helo (heck these are all toys to some extent) it was just as much fun as anything else I fly.