Bills: Not yet, I have installing all new fixtures in the bathroom...total make-over! Then the guy that does my welding is a poontoon boat builder. I have not seen him at his place of business in the last eek or so. I will keep checking. I was wondering why a person could not use a Map gas torch and silver solder a muffler (made of thin steel) using silver solder. I got to find out that also. Take Care, Capt,n