Hiya! I only got involved in this thread to pass on info about swift - but i Agree wth most things posted about training at clubs and on sims (I have cheapo planemaster with controller £20 - prefer controller to keyboard use). It does the job and I can annoy the wife and practice at the same time. There is definately a need for club trainng (nitro or electric) but there can be outside influencies, such as predominently nitro or remote area clubs. In my case I work 16 hours a week (retired) at w/ends and no-one available for training at such times. I think somewhere some lines got crossed. Oh well, getting back to annoying my wife.