ptulmer, Let me say that many of the points i have offered are for discussion and in no way do i say they are right or that AMA needs to follow them to the letter. Anything AMA does to try to woo these people into our way of flying i think is a good thing and support as long as the AMA does not give away the farm. I believe we have to take a long term view of this issue as much as a short term. Any action that would divide or ailienate the current membership is a mistake. I actually am not familiar with "the tiered system" that some of you talk about. I know the post by STL in reference to Joyce H. was a revolutionary approach. As in such cases it does upset the status quo, there fore has to be implemented carefully. We may never get all of those proposals, maybe none. But at least we are having this discussion and AMA is also, which is a good thing.