Good work Blueprint. You can't force people to enter the hobby the right way but you did your part to try and pursuade them to. Perhaps their lesson was learned that day and they will come back utilizing the advice you gave. As far as the ARF vs. Build debate... I do not think it's relevant here. Granted the satasfaction of maidening a kit I built is far more gratifying a newbie with an ARF would not be able to compare and the feeling I got when I first started out with my ARF was pretty darn close.