That is awsome input! Finally.. someone that knows! Thanks Dale, I have a hard time putting into words what these things do - but I think you hit it on the mark..

The funny thing is, after about 15 tanks through this 412 w/ gyro.. I am really looking forward to no gyro.. I feel like I am flying against it trying to stablize the bird.. but I need more time on the machine to get a good feel for things.. I am stilll rusty, so I can not completely blame the machine..

You coming up to Bham Dale?