I have the Extra and for the money you can't beat it. Hey flat spin lover you must have more then a dislike for them. If your gonna take the time to tell us they are crap do us a favor and use a little more detail. Other wise your post has no value for the guy wanting info. I have had great customer service with them. I talked to one guy on the phone for 30 minutes about how I should set it up. Anyway I would buy it again. This is my first ARF the rest of my planes are kits.