My point remains the same as it always has. There have been many turbine crashes at ARCA and surrounding fields to our flying site (wherein the pilot flew considerably off ARCA's property and crashed the jet causing massive fires). None of these crashes ended up with anything negative happening to our flying field.

The only problem I have ever had is a bunch of guys making speculative arguments based on dooms day scenarios that have NEVER happened.

Every month our club has an award for someone who has crashed an airplane, and this month, the guy who won crashed into the electrical company that is adjacent to our property. How come there isn't any fear that they will notify the parks office of what we are doing? In fact, that should be brought up at the next meeting, I'm officially saying we need to worry about them going and saying something and getting us shut down.

I have always agreed that what we fly is dangerous, and on any given flight, it can all come tumbling down. If the field is so afraid that we'll lose the site over the crash of one of our jets, they should NEVER be allowed to fly at ARCA. To do otherwise does not seem to make sense to me. There are many times that the county is NOT in a burn ban that the conditions are exactly the same at our field. Why is that ok? The risks are exactly the same!!

To arbitrarily pick the county burn ban (Which by the way, I spoke to a fire marshal and asked him directly about what we are doing, and he said that what we are doing is not covered by the ban) does not make sense to me.

I spoke to Robin about this and one of the Fire Marshals may be willing to come to one of our meetings, I'm still working on that.

Regardless, it's not even that I have a problem with the rule, the majority rules, and I'm ok with that. 13 jet guys will never be able to pursuade the overwhelming number of prop guys. Interestingly though, wasn't it the jet guys that donated several thousand dollars to the extended runway project? i don't think that was all club funds that achieved that.

My problem is and remains the decision making process, that somehow there is more risk to the club losing the field on one crash vs. another crash because they happened on different days.

I'm still looking for a good explanation to that, I asked our club president, and there was no good answer.

And above that, I agree that most people at our field are overwhelmingly helpful. It's guys like Lloyd Ligon that get in your face pointing fingers, and screaming at you for flying your airplane, telling lies about rules that do not exist as if they do. I guess I should have been more specific. I'm still, a year later, looking for an apology.

Joel, I have always reaped what I sow, it's a function of having never gotten good at keeping my mouth shut when I probably could have approached a situation differently. To some people, that's the best way to handle issues, to some, they get offended. In politics, that might be a 50% approval rating

To me, this type of debate is a lot of the fun I get from the hobby. If someone has to have an alka seltzer after arguing with me, I sleep better, and I recognize that that is a massive personality flaw.