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Old 03-25-2007 | 07:25 AM
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Default RE: Why does it fly?


ORIGINAL: Willdo

there can't be much lift if there's hardly any forward movement, so any air movement comes from prop wash, which is always in the same plane as the flat bottom (so no deflection forces there).
I guess then the lift must be coming from the camber on the top surface of the "wing". - but the wing area is extremely small, as is the prop.
The AOA in the photo was when it was almost at a hover (virtually no forward movement).

He did say something about getting lift from vortexes (or is it vortices?) which I really didn't understand, so I was hoping someone coud shed some light on the subject
Forward movement is ground speed. Ground speed isn't a part of any lift equations because it's got nothing to do with the flight of the airplane. Lift comes from the velocity over or against the lifting surfaces, which you mention as prop wash. Prop wash isn't usually anywhere close to laminar. It's almost always helical (curling around, heading aft). So.... there can't be much lift if there's hardly any forward movement The sucker isn't falling, so it's obvious that forward movement has little or nothing to do with the problem.

Wing area can be small or not, if it's "enough" and that also depends on the wing loading. And the prop can be large or small so long as it's operating in it's rpm range efficiently. And the sucker isn't falling, so the wing area is proving to be perfectly adequate and the prop is proving beyond question to be more than sufficient to not only fly the airplane but to "helicopter" it as well.

As for getting lift from vortexes......... Vortexes are not producers of energy. They are produced by energy. The energy comes from somewhere else and has already done a lot of work, some of which most would assume was to generate the lift that is being described as not possible.