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Old 04-04-2007 | 10:45 AM
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ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
ORIGINAL: STLPilot
The AMA does allow dual charters/insurance at a flying site, the AMA is not exclusive nor is it a monopoly.
Maybe you should remind AMA of your facts and advise them to remove [link=http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-Files/909.pdf]this[/link] from the AMA web site.
Abel
Obviously you did not understand that PDF. It says you can't use the same name for dual charters, but said nothing of an AMA club being exclusive at any flying sites for obvious legal reasons. When 2 clubs with the same name wind up in the courtroom, that's when it becomes a little more clear why the AMA does not allow it. This is why Michael Jackson got in trouble, he has a common name, after all he did Thriller, how could he have touched those kids? Another Michael Jackson maybe?

This is where a lot of people get really confused about the AMA being a so called "monopoly" and your misunderstanding is no different. The AMA most certainly allows dual charters, one or more of which does not have to be an AMA club, at a flying site and a "charter" is nothing more then a document that contains an outline of the formation of a club. Any group of flyers can simply throw together a charter on a single piece of paper, give it a name, assign ranks (from now on your Delta Tau Chi name is ... Flounder) and create their own club charter. As far as their rules go, it can be as simple as "fly safe guys". Then simply call someone like The Hartford for flying site insurance. You now have an insured and chartered club, which CAN fly side by side with an AMA chartered club at the SAME site.

Also the AMA cannot dictate who can fly with or without insurance or with or without an official charter at ANY flying site, unless the site owner granted exclusive rights to AMA members for his/her own protection and that would have nothing to do with the AMA, that's the site owners call. This means if a bunch of uninsured, unchartered beer slugging Delta Tau's wants to fly at a site along side an AMA chartered club and that AMA chartered club does not have exclusive rights to use the field, then so be it. Read the 911 PDF link which was posted above, it's clear as day. In fact if you want to get technical about it the AMA says you SHOULD only allow AMA members to use an AMA exclusive field, that is because the AMA CANNOT dictate or enforce what goes on at a flying site EVER. Unless of course they want to carry the liability of the flying site at all times.

AMA will not do this if the site is used by two clubs, one of which is an AMA club and the other chartered by some other organization (none of which exist right now as far as I know).
Sure they will, the AMA states they will allow it in doc 911. Also a charter does not have to be created, overlooked or controlled by any higher bodies or organization other then "the club". 911 does mention "club activities" SHOULD remain in the AMA family but that has nothing to do with flying at the site.

This is yet another misconception about the AMA being this so called "monopoly". (Not aimed at your Phadraes). Remember when you had to buy your phone service from AT&T? Of course you could run some twisted pair from your house to everyone elses house if you had the resources, however AT&T held all the permits to do such a thing. That is a monopoly. In this case you can simply just grab a few sheets of paper, a pen and draft away. Heck if your really that lazy, Google finds all.

You gotta give the AMA credit for making people believe that they are this cotrolling monopoly, power too them. I wish I had the marketing and brand power like the AMA has to making people believe that you can only buy model planes from my company. The AMA only provides a simple set of "guidelines" at a fair price, period.