damnit you guys, you are like my family, you always know what you say thanks for your replies. I must say I am looking for some fun building a car and i feel like nothing beats buggies durability and speed (not considering onroad). Yesss wienersport, i see what you mean, great idea, i will steal the drivetrain off a revo (i need reversable). shawndecoste, yea, i think ill go for 4 horsepower .30 engine, ill just make sure my gearing is right so i get max speed out of it. So for now i'll start saving money for this sweet project. I think ill buy a used 1/8 scale buggy, replace the engine/drivetrain with .30 with a reversible revo tranny, and some suspension, perhaps even double on all sides.