Thanks! rainedave. I havent built a plane from scratch in a long while but this would make a good project. I have a webra 61 speed, same as Ted had in his. I guess he his still around, I found his pic on a web page http://www.hawkfield.org/2005Newsltrs/Dec2005b.pdf He is an amazing man. I would like to see him again in person. Later Dude[8D]