@bigedmustafa--I think we're pretty much in agreement.[8D] I wasn't trying to beat up on you earlier--it's just that your illustrated concept of what constitutes a parkflyer is much narrower than what I'm accustomed to, hence the differing opinion regarding capabiltes of said class of aircraft. Actually, it's kind of refreshing that someone else here sees the GWS lineup as "kits" rather than ARFs, as an aside. Most people think of anything foam and assume it's ARF, but anyone who's ever worked with one of the old Sureflite kits knows that ain't necessarily so.

Back to the OP, regarding the question "I just wonder how many folks start out or practice on something electric (or glow) that does not take a lot of room to fly before heading the the field.", I just wanted to point out that I am one of those people, and I think that starting out that way has made me a better pilot. As stated, after a false start in the hobby at a young age, I came back by buying a GWS Cub and teaching myself to fly it. I didn't mention that I did it at night. in a deserted parking lot. in winter. Yes, I know I'm not the typical case. Just shows that there is room for individualism in the hobby, as long as common sense is followed.

Oh, and about flying an undercambered airfoil inverted......you're just not trying hard enough, Ed! It's actually a really fun challenge to try flying these types of planes inverted. They don't like it, that's for sure, but the key is to start out at "3 mistake" height to allow room to roll out, and set up the controls so that there is plenty of "down" elevator available. When I had a Slow Stick, I was able(barely) to do inverted figure-8s with it. Problem was, it required nrealy full throttle and almost all down elevator to maintain height. It's a good exercise in not overcontrolling because as soon as you do, it will roll upright......but I am venturing way off track here.