This one is way over that ! He's flipping the struts now, and were going to meet at the field so I can look at it. Yeah, my Pitts is maybe 2 to 3 degrees +... If flipping the struts doesn't tilt the top wing down alot, I won't try flying it again, thats for sure. All I know is that the wings need to be close to the angle of the fuse, or it's going to go up or down, thats just simple physics. You can put your hand out the car window on the freeway and prove that theory. lol