Yeah ill try the collor thing last, hard to beat down this dead horse. Actually to get lift requires alot more up on the stick, so much I have to add alot of trim to make it some what normal. Just curious here. So should the plate the rods regulate be perfectly even? Right now even though the arms arent even the left and right plate is even. The front though is slightly lower looking back? Not much at all. Guess I could tell by the wings rotating straight or wobbling. Would that be an accurate cause I heard if the are off, that can really screw with a heli. Just looking for a ball park what I should see. I knew I should have taken pics prior to this.