Mr Ulmer! you just struck a nerve, I'm from NY BTW, and now I live in VA for the last 18 years. When I first arrived in VA in 1989, you southern boys weren't the friendliest bunch. I had to give a lot and take even more to fit in. Since 1989 I've worked my butt off for my club including contest directing the Mid Atlantic Jet Rally for the last 16 years, while you older southern gents just paid thier dues to fly with very little cooperation as far as help with any of the 3 events I ran during the seasons. Talking about BAD ATTITUDES! I'm no youngster myself being 56.