Kenworthbob; El gringito is the .45 version of the El Gringo. I got both plans from RCM plans service. I had no idea Ted White did a smaller version till I read it on RCU somewhere. The plane looks super, just like it's momma!! At the plans site there is a pic with a chic holding the plane. Let me know what you think....of the plane I mean....puplover