if your interested, you can check this one out. [link=http://acehobby.com/ace/showpic.asp?imagepath=images/airplane/enlarge/ACE4559.jpg]Cloud dancer 40 or 60[/link] It flies like a trainer but if you want to open it up, it will do alot of maneovers (sp) without a prob. The airframe is very light. I have a .65la on mine and it hauls it around fairly decent.