Hovering nose in now. It was pretty hard at first, but I can now get in some good minute or longer hovers. I have been reading into the Trex after robo suggested it. That is a nice bird. I went and watched all of the "finless bobs" videos on the 450SE and now have plans on buying one once my skills and budget allow for it. I think the prospect of building it is just as exciting as flying it. But that will have to wait.