I own a LHS and will not sell those planes as "trainers". I sell only the Alpha. Why, when the new people ask about them ?. I have to fly with the same guys that teach and if i sell something that makes it harder to learn on, I hear about it real fast at the field. Much of my new business comes from the guys telling people to come to the store. It's better to keep a new person for a long time then to make a fast buck one time. These companies can make anything they want, it's up to the club members to stear the new people in the right direction. I always tell them to hang out at the field and ask questions before buying from me. Dennis