Hey Guys, have a problem with my Dual Ace that maybe someone can help with. Plane is twin Thunder Tiger 46 engines. When I put together the plane, since it is a ARF I did't check all incidence and since then I have paid for it. Have read entire DA thread and I seem to be only one having problems. Blanced on 95mm as per most others have balanced there or more rearward. First flight plane left ground in very steep climb, reduced power and down trim and plane still required almost half down stick to fly level. After very harrowing landing, took back to shop to recheck everything. Since horizonital stab is epoxyed in I leveled the stab and fuse with Robart Incidence Meter to 0 degrees. I then set wing to 0 degrees (wing leading edge was about 3 degrees down). Back to field for second flight. Little better but still extreme climb under full power. Another scary landing. Back to shop. Check engine thrust, both had about 4 or 5 degrees of down thrust. Don't know how that happeded since engine compartments both fit very well. Would that much be designed into plane? Insturctions do not give any incidence or thrust directions. Set engines to 0 degrees thrust. Everything is set as close to 0 degrees as I can get it. Back to field. Third flight was better, could trim level at half throttle, but still climbing at full throttle. I have flaparons on the ailerons set to a dial on my radio. They are set with wing as close as I can tell.(by sight). Do you think moving dial up or down while flying would help solve problem? All my flying buddies think that may be the problem but I'm almost out of nerve trying to fly this THING. Im out of options and thinking of selling it, but everyone local is afraid of it because they have seen it try to fly. It is a very good looking plane and I want to get it right. I have had 2 other twins in the past with no problems, but I did build them. Hope I posted this in right forum, if not feel free to move. Thanks for any help.--------Revver Bro#164