BTW, another thing we often feel is that the airplanes in the sim are too good, right. After a month of tuning on one of my real world models I've made a discovery. The one in RF3.5 actually does fly like my RW model...... now that I've got the RW model sorted out.

I'm not sure if the other couple of RW models that seem a bit harder to fly than the ones in the sim will benefit from better trimming, but I'm betting that they do. And I'm basing that on the feeling that the RF3.5 ones are showing me how a well trimmed version should fly, and that I've not gotten the best trim on the RW ones. Yet