honestly critterhunter, from your earlier posts it does sound like you want to do away with fuels, and i never said that foam sucks, i do agree that it has its up points, like quick build time, however, to me, the build it part of the hobby and i dont respect my plane as much if i just put it together in a few hours. i do now believe that brushless are more powerful than brushed and all, but im yet to be convinced about price and everything and im yet to be convinced that they are better that fuels, but thats me, who knows they might be better, but ill just stick to my fuels, its what my grandpa used to fly and i like the look and all of them better too, thats just my opinion though. my point is, lets just go our own ways and develope our hobby the way we choose, but lets not start trying to run the other person out, because if theres competition like that, the liberals will be able to take away our hobby much easier and thats something none of us want. so why cant we just end the debates, its ok to keep friendly discussions going, but there are too many debates about who is "better". also why cant we just agree that some of us like noisy, fuel smelling engines and some hate that, if you hate that, just stay away from them, but dont try and make it go away. lets all just get back to the original point of the hobby when it was first started, making a machine and personallizing it is part of it for some of us, but for all of us it is this word that i call FLYING. flying a plane is the main point, and i know my life is never any better than when im flying something or fishing. (maybe its possible to combined the two?) but whatever the case, there is too much debate where it seems that one type will hate the other type just cause they enjoy the hobby differently. here is what i think, STOP arguing which is "better", RESPECT the other type of persons way of the hobby, RESPECT other rc aircraft traffic at the field, and just FLY