Fishgod, want to be my coach? I think we could get along. Your advice is good and appreciated. I've been doing a lot of "Minnesota Winter Flying" (on the simulator) and have tried to get out to do "REAL" flying at least a couple of times a month. Right now I'm using an Avistar - but hey, it gets me into the air. This weekend I think spring arrives here if only temporarily. The snow should go, the grass should show, I can get rid of the airplane ski's and get at it. Tomorrow I coincidently have to drive by the hobby store and I suspect I will be pulled in and leave with my 4*60. I still have enough time to get it built before the for sure nice weather hits - and if we get really lucky and it stays nice I may even pick it up in an ARF too. I'm a realist, my learning curve is long (and expensive at times) I could get "broken in" with that ARF and the kit might actually last awhile. Hey, thanks to all who have shared, and if any more thoughts are out there I will be looking forward to them.