I'm back touching tail!!!! First time since the spring & a un-controlled landing. It hovers way better now that I tweeked the thrust line. Its funny, same plane, but #4 needs different set-up than #3? I finally figured out how to get my videos from DVD to computer & edit them, thanks to a post from Mike East, MS Windows Movie Maker , I hope to post one soon, nothing special, just a little huckin.