ok back to the main question. i took the eye on the aileron control and lowered it by ten turns down (inwards) and it did give me more throw and now the alpha will roll a little quicker. its still a trainer so its not going to do rolls like a magic would. waitting for wind to die a little so i can get my h9 cherokee out , its a virgin so i dont want to fly in a big wind gust yet.....spooner