Thanks for the reply, I'm really not trying to rush my learning curve of the "Rotory Beast" lol. I do have several years exp with fixed wing applications. My crash was totally my fault today. I hit the idle up switch which made the hover wayyy easier at first. then I forgot when I went to idle down and land it said Swoop crash clackitty clackitty. it was kind of funny. but I was scream Nooooo the whole time... As you said, I'm probably the same and at least a few months away from inverted flights. so the symetrical blades really won't due me much good as of now. I'll check out the trainer blades and start there plus they are supposed to be much more impact resistant. the wood blades shattered when they hit the pavement. I've been sitting here looking at the page 11 and thinking that may help my tail problem I'll try that as soon as I get the new parts installed tomorrow. As far as my lipo goes yea I just couldn't take the 5 minutes of the stock batt pack. it's like as soon as I got comfortable with bringing it off the ground I had no more power left. I have a Lipo from my Brushless Mini-T. So all I did was make a connector for the batt pack from ultra deans to mini deans. Now I'm looking at 15+ minutes of flight time, the only thing I notice is that the main motor is HOT after this much hovering. and i've still got more than 2v's left to go in my Lipo before I'm at the 9.6v cutoff. I just can't wait to get my parts tomorrow so I can fly again. Any more info you have would be greatly appreciated. any kind of hint's Tips or anything. Oh yea as far as the balance of the heli goes with the new lipo in. it seems to be just about the same as with the stock batt. if not it's actually a little more centered. I noticed it felt more balanced with the lipo vs the stockie. not to mention the noticeable increase in power.