Thankyou both for your replies. I'll definetly stay away from the PZ p51 now. I understand that if I get something too advanced then I will probably be right back to no plane very soon after getting one. Oz, yes I am including landings in the sim flights, havent messed up one for a while in any less wind than about a 15 mph crosswind. Are all of the pz-warbirds as bad as the p51? I think all I need to stay interested until Christmas is something that can do a few loops and rolls, then I'll need something more. Really wanting to stick with RTF, because I have a tendency to look over small details. Made quite a few small mistakes when I built my Century Swift helicopter, luckily the manager at lhs is kind enough to look over models for free, especially if they were bought at his store. Where could I find this Wing Dragon 4? SackOHammers, do you have a supercub? If so could you tell me how well it performs loops.

Thanks for answering,
John

John

Edit-I know it's probably not the best to learn on, but would it be possible to learn on the F-27B Stryker? I can fly it fine on the sim, but I'm affraid it might be a bit different in the field.