ok, thanks Ken. This is why I asked here though. All I wanted to know was what skills are learned on a intermediate trainer, to see If I should skip it like someone suggested. Basically, the first post here by hogflyer answered my question. I think some of you didnt understand my question. I never tried to make myself look like a "hotshot" or "too good" as ken said to describe people he has seen who want to skip intermediate trainers. Someone else (not me) said i could get away with skipping it. After reading these posts, I learned that alot of important skills are learned with the intermediate trainer, so i shouldn't skip it. And im not trying to advance too quickly, but as expensive of a hobby this is, I wanted to see if I could get away with one less plane, but now I learned that its not worth risking because could likely just turn into one more plane after a crash.