Well radfly, you say you don't know about VMAR yet you have an opinion and that's OK too I guess. I've been in this hobby and building since 1953 and have done a few reviews for manufacturers along the way. I had heard about VMAR's quality and material shortcomings, yet found them a good 'bang-for-the-buck' at the time. Now after living with a pair I agree with just what you pointed out. - They have flashy looking models in pictures that can't compete with better ARF's in reality. We buy, and form opinions right after building a plane, yet a few seasons down the road they may become a pain in the...

Some folks are going to be satisfied if they haven't owned better and some are never going to get near one. It's hard to get 100% agreement on what's good quality in an ARF, but VMAR falls short of other ARFs in my book.