It must be an optical illusion Jim as I have double checked this several times. I still have the wing anti-spin droops on-perhaps this adds to the illusion. Say Joe-is your incidence set with the wing cord or did they maybe use the flat underside of the wing, any chance you can check and let me know? I used a robart incidence meter on the wing and an angle guage on the float to adjust mine to 2 deg pos. And you are right Jim- it sure looks negative in the picture,but the meters shouldn't lie. I also tried installing the training flaps after cutting 1/3 off-this helps get on step when going with the wind, but don't know if they will help otherwise. I have a futaba 6xa which I should use on this plane and then I could use flaperons,but I just haven't had time to check and figure this radio out yet. I still believe it will fly once I get everything right. I sure am thankful for R/C universe and all you fellow fliers and the trove of info you have supplied me with-thanks, Harold