i very seldom see any planes come in at what the box says: i think i heard they use that with the lightest motor battery, no wire and a quick hardware package. 14 lbs will def, change the wing loading on the bird. I hope you get your deal worked out. i still have a creek extra to finish up so i will be able to comment on my deal here in the coming weeks. i still am excited about seeing her fly, i'll keep you all posted......

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i will have to weigh mine with the OS-160 thats on there and see how it pans out i have a 2700 nmhi on the receiver and a 700 on a smoke system the rest is basic stuff........