This thread is about a paticular plane, and hopefully making the best of a decision to save a few bucks. I think people expect too much from ARF's. I agree some are better than others but for the most part I haven't been happy with any I've puchased. Arf's have been great getting new folks into the hobby but, if you want it built right, then you have to build it. If you really like hot glue then buy ARF's but you have to live with your decision. The opinions are already out there. If it makes you feel better to complain, that's fine but, maybe you can ask for a new foum to post in.