thanks for link deadeye. i appreciate that. i got both of these to taxi very well, but haven't been successful yet with getting them to lift off the ground yet.

anyone else have idea on the first plane and on my lift off problem. i mean i can push these planes 20 feet forward straight hauling butt, but no lift off. i know they can get off the ground, i just aint figured it out yet. might have to hand launch. but i hate doing that. if it fails, something always breaks on me.