Body bags are too good for these so called 3D planes by Hanger 9. I've had my fair share. Twist, Funtana. Great Planes is no better the U can Do still has the fuel tank too high and the knife edge doesn't get it and then the HAK is out of the question. There not even good to learn 3D on. Been there done that! They need a good stomping. I know you guys love these twists but put an AX 46 on a 4 lb profile and you will be calling these Hanger 9 planes heavy easy to break JUNK! I do not mean Tower Hobbies P51 POS profile I mean a MoJo or an OMP Edge 540 then you can talk real stories that are true. If you havent tried a good 3D profile you are wasting your money and time! This is not degrading it's the straight up truth!