Thanks to all for their input and help... I have tried the engine cold again today and it started and ran fine... I gave it about 5 seconds of wide open starting with the electric starter and then went to about 1/3 throttle and added the glow starter... after about 3 seconds of cranking it hit and ran fine... I had previously moved the idle mixture needle about 1/4 turn counter clock wise ... I only work on the starting after the engine is cold and not run for a couple of days... so today was a big step into the right starting pattern.... I can live with this... again thanks.. Richard