ok guys i just spoke to my friends dad who i know for a fact worked on the full size F4 and he swears blind they had spoilers!!!! he then went on to say the phantom had around 3 degrees up aileron and around 40 degree up spoiler , while the opposite aileron droped about 20 degrees ,also what made me query this is because i remember once watching a florida jet video where i think a guy called lewis hamilton ?? flew the century F4 and that showed a working spoiler!! im looking to getting a F4 myself in the comming months but im looking for scale it seems to me theres BVM, SKYMASTER, AND CENTURY, and untill i find out for sure on the spoilers which im now quite confident i have i would say the skymaster is a lovley piece of work but as for scale it would have to be questioned?[>:]