Fellas, thanks for all that advice.
As part of my check list, the CG's at exactly as the manual says. The only reason I notice this situation is I also have another trainer (RCM trainer 40) and it did not have that "problem". As far as this is inherent in a flat bottom wing, these two planes are both flat bottom winged.
I will try down thrust 1st and then up thrust.
After that, i'll start flying with my tongue in the left cheek to climb amd right cheek to descend. If that won;t fix the problem, i'll give it to my 11 year old son who flies better than I am
Again thanks for the input