Jake, Thanks for the reply, yes I used to think that way also but on every model that I have built (which were low wing fighter aircraft) I zeroed everything out including the wing, and they flew a whole lot better.
basically I turned them into pattern ships. This is why I asked the question.
This is my first bipe and I wanted to get some first hand expert advise and I did,...this plane requires right and down thrust just like you suggested. This is why this forum is so great, before computers you had to do trial and error, this helps eliminate going back to the drawing board so many times.

Thanks everyone