Geez, maybe I'm doing the wrong thing then. My Cox PT19 was a Christmas present in 1960 (I was 12 then) and it's still flying with the original engine, fuselage #2, and wing #3. It **WILL** do loops (just barely missing the ground at the bottom of each) and wing-overs, but not much else.

Yeah, they were/are great basic trainers for learning to fly. Wouldn't part with mine if you offered me her weight in gold.

Dave W.