SmittyRob - You are missing the point I was trying to make, it is the difference between a 12 year old with a snap together kit and a modeler with 20+ years.

I am sorry if my message came across too harshly, and its not that I think questions are bad, I just wish sometimes people would do a little reading first. In no way do I want this forum to die, it has kept me sane some nights when work was tough. Generaljumbo - 43 years young right? Happy birthday!!!

I do hate to differentiate based on brand name, but it seems it is the only way to catagorize a RTR tank vs. an R/C Kit.