Having decided to use a scale like plane (67" Extra 330 S) to learn pattern, I was recently thinking about my trip to TOC last year. I watched these world class TOC guys, some of which are world class pattern guys, fly what I and the judges thought were near perfect F3A pattern maneuvers. It was truly fantastic the way they could fly a disciplined pattern routine and then turn on the music and put on an incredible 3D show. My point is, why don't we break the mold and start using scale like aerobatic planes to fly the pattern maneuvers and get away from the look-alikes that everyone is currently using. Lets face it, all of the pattern planes do look alike (2 x 2 wide bodies), except for some beautiful paint jobs, but none of them have a full scale counterpart. Full scale, FAI aerobatic competition uses Caps, Extras, Sukois, etc; and these plane have to fly compulsury, precision maneuvers. Why shouldn't RC pattern be doing the same. I know there is IMAC, but it is not precision, turnaround pattern. Anyway, I thought this might be an interesting point for discussion.