well said Big that kinda sums it up for me, there is a club relatively close but the extra fees kinda put a damper on my ability to join right now. I started with Helli's because I can fly out of my back yard but the experience to takes to successfully fly one was taxing my income pretty hard with trips to the hobby shop after most flights. so I decided to try a plane. the SC was recommended to me by my LHS it was in my price range and it worked. naturally I wanted a plane that was a little more able so I got the T-28 after getting really comfortable with the SC. I still fly the SC every time I go out but I have my 2nd plane already that I'm looking forward to getting good with. I looked at the club rules out here to see what is needed to qualify to fly at there Field, when I'm out flying I practice the required maneuvers so when I do try out the club thing I hopefully will be able to fly with the guys without too much training to qualify. I'm not 100% sure how the club thing works but so far everyone I've talked to in this hobby seems really friendly so I think it could be fun to join. on the other hand I've read way too many posts from people saying the clubs have limits on the type of plane or member caps if thats the case out here I won't be joining a club but I still will have learned to fly and I'll just stick to the parkflyers and where I have been flying.