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Horrace,

Please correct me if I am wrong but I distinctly remember a few years ago when the Jetero had an instructor that was secretly charging for his time while instructing the whole club was in an uproar. I am almost positive you were in that majority.
What has changed your opinion?
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Wayne, the original letter to the EC plus the explanations to Rockmon certainly should answer any questions, however....!
Yes I was in that majority. That individual charged SECRETLY. That individual used his designation as an Intro Pilot (removed and never again) to bring non-AMA non-Jetero people on Jetero's PRIVATE PROPERTY for PAY. That individual jeopardized the entire Club for his personal gain. I wanted him thrown out. Fortunately he doesn't come around much anymore.
Now if AMA could come up with a suitable plan to allow paid instructors within a Chartered Club, such as I have proposed then that would be fantastic as I think.
So Wayne, there has been NO change of mind. (At the field ask me for a glow plug, a prop, or a tank of fuel and you will get it, no repayment expected. Slip around and take it from my tool box, then, if you get caught, well, sir, that's a whole 'nother ball game.)

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I have been instructing people to fly since I was a teeenager and would NEVER ask for a fee. I do it because I like helping the new guys out.

//SNIP//

A couple of weekends ago I was at the field. It was one of the first nice days we've had in a while and I was continually bouncing around from one guy to another. Do I mind? No.
Would I have liked to fly my planes a little more that day? Sure.
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There is nothing wrong with that and I say "Go for it". However why were some of the other experienced fliers doing some bouncing? Are you the only one that "likes" it.
Now let me get a bit dirty, Wayne. When you belonged to Jetero, you helped others and that help is missed.
OTOH, I never knew of you making a commitment to a newbie for constant instruction and taking the individual through a course of instruction from first flight through passing Jetero's solo check-out.
There is one He-l of a difference between jumping around when there, than making a long-term commitment. (Ask any single guy!!!)

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I just have a hard time telling the new guy in the club to pay for his AMA, then spend close to 500 bucks to get a plane RTF and then by the way, I am going to charge you a fee for my time.
It just doesnt have to be that way.
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Correct -- It doesn't have to be, so don't. I am asking that AMA simply provide the option -- like in CHOICE!

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Having instructors that charge isnt going to bring more competent instructors. IMO its going to do the exact opposite.

Do you think the guy who charging behind the scenes at Jetero was providing better instruction because he was getting paid for it?
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For that individual, he was not an instructor for sh-t. Under my proposal, the club would quickly weed him out.

Wayne, where was QUALITY or COMPETENCE mentioned in my proposal? In my 41 years of military and commercial aviation, I found a lot of AIRPLANE DRIVERs drawing PILOT's pay. In my terms, there is a big difference between a PILOT and an airplane-driver.

In RC instruction, there are guys that simply help someone along until someone catches on to driving around the sky.
I simply am asking for AMA to provide the plan where Clubs can provide a REAL Instruction program.
As of now, I have and it's in this forum somewhere, a letter from CM / AMA that if money changes hands between the student and an Instructor, all AMA insurance is waived except for any Insurance the Club provides the land owner. (Jetero is the landowner same as a number of Clubs in this area.)

Therefore Wayne, thanks for the nit-picking, and keep up the good work. Hopefully your first line request has been granted.