darn, I just saw I spelled second wrong, oh well. I have watched vids of all of those, the f-15 seems to land the fastest from those, I don't know though, I like the europsort the most out of all of them and rafale second from vids I have seen, I wish I could find more, and the rafale has angled gear it looks like, am I right is so, how will they fair on grass? better then f-16?