Waldo I was born in 1956 so I guess I am the resident old goat I really don't remeber the year I 1st started flying I can remeber when I was 6 an holding the planes for my dad and then when I was 9 in 65 I was flying a falcon sr with a fox 61 and an orbit transmitter ya know the 1's that you have to bump the sticks. I quit flying in 68 and didn't go back to it till 1989